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Jim Halladay
 45 Posts |
 Posted - 10/14/2006 : 4:32:10 PM
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Poll Question:
How do you like our new website?
Remember to reply with your comments.
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| Excellent |
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12 votes |
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Total Votes: 27 counted »» |
Last Vote:
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PoolHallHaze
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Posted - 06/16/2008 : 11:48:07 PM
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I agree, i would like to see stats for the opposing team, and also the graphs (of how they do against other handicaps).
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Bob Swauger
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Posted - 06/17/2008 : 06:25:05 AM
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Here's why stats were limited to you personally when we designed the website. Jim may want to add to or clarify:
What is uploaded to the website is limited in terms of what goes into calculating a handicap but there are a number of legitimate reasons not to open it up, especially the last 30 graphs.
For starters I don't think anyone would argue the office is likely to see an increase in skill level complaints as one skill level 'X' is compared to another solely based on their win/loss record or how they compare in their last 30... 'My player is 15 of 30 and went up while this guy is 17 of 30 and is still a 'X'!!! How is that fair?"
Since what's offered on the site makes up a small percentage of what goes into a handicap it would cause a great deal of perception problems regarding handicaps. As proof the League Offices for all 50 plus APA/CPA sites we do routinely field skill level complaints from people who simply say "I've lost my last 3 matches, why haven't I gone down?" or the inevitable complaints about someones skill level whom they've only seen shoot once or twice. Give them that extra little bit of data, and even explain that much more goes into it, and it's still going to be used to complain or at the very least cause confusion as to why players are ranked as they are.
Another big part is some people don't want that information public. They don't want their captain to see they lose to 4s a lot because they won't get put up against 4s... even if those loses were 3 months ago (your last 30 can span an entire year depending on how often you shoot)! Some people don't have access to the site (or really care about it). There are likely to be complaints because the opposing team has access to more information than they do on league night... again the perception that the playing field isn't level. The office is going to be pressured to provide stats in the team envelopes so that everyone is on the same level playing field. The idea behind the site and automating things was to make Jim's job easier, because believe it or not it's a lot of work to process all that paperwork and get it right back out to you so printing all that additional material is counter productive to what the site is meant for.
Finally, imagine you're on a losing streak... having that information public allows other teams to single you out and pick on you...perpetuating that losing streak... possibly driving members from the league as captains sit them and they lose confidence... OR if you're hot the other team may chose to dump to you to try to manipulate your handicap and their own player's as well. Or come playoff time you'll see a guy who never wins VS 4s (or so it seems looking at his last 30 stats) and you'll stick your good 4 on him. He'll crush your 4 and the complaints will start about this player dumping.
The Equalizer was never intended to work like this. Everyone goes in now with the same information whether they use the site or not... the difference is if you use the site you can get your 'personal' stats. The league office believes that this set up best preserves the spirit and integrity of the system giving no one even the appearance of some kind of advantage... while also providing as much information as possible to the member regarding their personal performance. Members are free to print and share their stats with other members or teammates, but the choice is theirs. Other member's personal stats are and will remain personal.
A lot of consideration went into the decision of how things are set up. There are no plans to change this.
Bob Swauger
APA Web Admin
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PoolHallHaze
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Posted - 06/20/2008 : 1:05:43 PM
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Bob: Thanks for the information. And it is nice to see our own personal stats. I found it very interesting.
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edwinmbrown
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Posted - 07/18/2008 : 04:55:53 AM
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| bob, thanks for the information,and it is nice to my own personal stats and it cool to see where my team in the rankings. thank you edwin m brown |
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